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  • AllVNeedGcPc
    04-17 09:44 AM
    Enjoy these moments.

    Please when ever you get some time can you answer couple of my questions.

    1) Where do you send emails to "NSCFollowup and EBUpdate"? Please can you PM me these email addresses?
    2) Do we need a separate explicit official Interfile Request, even if original PD and A# have already been retained in new 140?

    Here's my journey so far.

    1. Initial labor
    a. Filed - July 19th 2003 (4 years BE Software Engineering and 2 years Masters Computer Science in US) Filed as Software Engineer
    b. Approved - June 2006, but BEC put NOC as Mechanical Engineer. Took a year to get it fixed back to Software Engineer

    2. EB3 I140 (NSC)
    a. Filed - July 2nd 2007
    b. Approved - 2008

    3. I485 (NSC)
    a. Filed - July 2nd 2007
    b. RFE - April 2009 (EVL for me and visa history for my wife)

    4. Perm
    a. Same Fortune 500 company for 10 years (By 2010, was promoted multiple times and moved to a different role)
    b. Filed - Oct 2010 (No experience used only MS)
    c. Approved - Dec 2011

    5. EB2 I140 (TSC)
    a. Filed - Jan 2011, Premium Processing
    b. Approved - Jan 2011 (original A# and Priority Date retained)

    6. Interfiling
    a. Feb 2011 - Created a SR requesting the status of I485. Got a reply saying the category my 485 was applied is not current yet
    b. Feb 2011 - Lawyer said that as my old A# and PD was already used on new 140, so that means that it has automatically been interfiled, now we do not need to do anything. But said will still send a reminder
    c. March 2011 - Went for an Infopass Appointment (Useless in my opinion too) They said as your 140 is in TSC and 485 is in NSC that is why its taking time and they don't know how much more time will it take
    d. April 2011 - Contacted Senator and got a reply that they have contacted NSC and will let us know their response as soon as they get one
    e. Waiting again...


    I have always been a passive reader of this post and multiple other similar posts. It helped me a lot and I thought sharing my positive porting experience will help/encourage others. Below are details of my long journey

    1. Initial labor
    a. Filed - July 8 2003 (no masters, no 5 years, Title: Systems Analyst)
    b. Approved - August 31 2006

    2. EB3 I140 (NSC)
    a. Filed - October 11 2006
    b. Approved - April 6 2007

    3. I485 (NSC)
    a. Filed - July 19 2007
    b. RFE - April 2009 (Birth Certificate related for me and Medical related for my wife)

    4. Perm
    a. Same company. By 2011, I was promoted multiple times and currently managing multiple projects. Every H1b that was approved after 2003 clearly showed the growth and the promotion on the job title and salary.
    b. Filed - Feb 9 2011 (Progressive growth within the same company, Title: Project Director)
    c. Approved - Feb 15 2011

    5. EB2 I140 (TSC)
    a. Filed - March 9 2011, Premium Processing
    b. Approved - March 21 2011 (A# and Priority Date retained)

    6. Interfiling
    a. March 24 2011 - Created a SR requesting the process I485 using the new EB2 140
    b. March 29 2011 - Lawyer sent the official Interfile Request
    c. April 5 2011 - Contacted both the senators and congressman. They were very prompt in responding back. Also sent emails to NSCFollowup and EBUpdate.
    d. April 7 2011 - Went for an Infopass Appointment (Useless in my opinion)
    e. April 14 2011 - Got the magic email at 9:15pm for both me and my wife. One of the happiest days in my life.
    f. Waiting on the physical cards to take a long break :)

    Wish the very best to everyone else waiting on the GC line.




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  • Chiwere
    12-21 03:19 PM
    Sure, he will face lot of difficulties, if his employer failed to file for H1 amendment when his job profile/responsibilities changed. There is a procedure in place whenever for cases when job profile changes. My job profile was changed, but my employer filed for both H1 amendment and new I-140 to reflect new job duties.

    When new I-140 is filed in such cases, beneficiary retains his/her priority date.

    Good Luck with your GC.

    ______________________________________
    Proud Indian-American and Legal Immigrant

    desi3933,
    Most likely your employer needed to file a new labor as well when your profile changed, right?
    Thanks




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  • test101
    07-05 01:44 PM
    I just Spoke to sentor Specter office: 202-224-4254. They were very supportive. I spoke about the revised Visa bulltien and the effect of losing nurses. They were very sympathatic . I added i know how the sentor support immigration.

    Please do call the office.. tell them about what is going on and thank them for supporting immigration in general.
    they actually asked for my name ...




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  • Winner
    06-11 03:04 PM
    I keep reading we should fight for out rights and all. I am just curious
    where does it say if on is on H1B or F1, he or she has a right to get a GC. GC or citizenship is a privilege, we cant demand it or force someone to give it to us. Its a simple demand and supply situation, there are more visa seekers then there is availability and therefore there is a waiting period. i am not sure why we don't accept the simple fact that there are way too many people from developing country like ours moving to US, and not everyone can be accommodated ASAP. i think US has every right to do what it thinks is best for her, even if we don't agree with that,
    And those who say its discrimination, discrimination is when people from Bihar are beaten up on the streets of mumbai cause they are taking jobs away from marathi manus. Had there been so many techies from around the world taking up jobs in India, we would have seen street lynching.

    You got me all curious now, if you accept the status quo, why are you here in this site as a member? Don't get me wrong, but I'm curious to know what is your objective in becoming a member of IV.



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  • nixstor
    03-31 08:52 PM
    How insane am I? How insane are u? If it was not the USCIS, u wudn't have put ur foot into this country using ur H1B visa. U r in a foreign land and u want things happen like at the snap of ur finger? U think immigration is the only issue US has. U donno nothing about other issues the Govt is facing. If u dont like the administration...just get out. How in the world can a foreigner think about changing USCIS management process? What rights do u have? U cant even vote and u want to change the management process of a Govt body. U think u r a citizen and have all the rights. Kudos to the US Govt for making us feel at home and letting us talk like this. IV can fight upto some extent by the kind of campaigns they are hosting. But its USCIS' prerogative what they want to do. In the first place IV is fighting for Employment Based GCs. The fight which should actually be fought by Employers and above all ppl like u have the audacity to talk about the irregular management in USCIS and even going to the extent of changing it. And they took the shortest and safest way out? U think they wudn't have gotten away by NOT letting u have ur EAD now? U must be from India where there is lot of corruption. How wud u feel if US citizens came to India and propose a change in the Government. US citizens who are immigrants in India - Did u even think about it? U dont even know how to think properly. I will still say...SHAME ON U.

    Are you saying that USCIS bestowed up on every EB based immigrant with H1B visas and did all of us a huge favor? The simple point is there is a need and all of us happened to be the applicants. If there was never a need, none of us would have been here, irrespective of how many applications came in. People immigrate to US because there is more predictability and accountability in all walks of life when compared to other countries. Lately that has been changing for what ever reasons in the US, while other countries are emulating US's past success formula. There is a difference between in thought process of "deserve it" or "will take what ever I am given". Its not the US government that is letting any one talk. The underpinning principles of this country that make people talk. I think people on the forum are asking for some predictability and accountability after years of mishaps. If you feel that you have no rights what so ever thats fine. It appears a bit premature to say and "We have NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER to ask for ".




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  • samnay
    07-18 01:11 PM
    Contributed another $100. I am not very active member on this board but I do follow it regularly and I have made contributions in the past.

    Let me also take this opportunity to thank IV for putting legal EB immigration on the front page and its ability to galvanize the grass-root efforts in the momentum not seen before. I think we can only go forward from here and if we keep united, make regular contributions and fight for our justified cause, we can do wonders!

    I will also exhort other non-members and members for bringing in more people to this forum and helping with contributions.

    Thanks



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  • diptam
    10-08 12:10 AM
    The reply that Ombudsman office wrote on Sep 11th came to my hand just today Oct 7th - looks like they have backlog in mailing letters as well.

    Anyway - the summary of the letter is similar to he email discussion few days back ( as below ) ... USCIS should get back to me in 45 days i.e end of Oct 08

    Today morning Ombudsman replied to my 2nd email ( as below) and confirmed my address - they said that a reply has been sent to me on Sep 11th for my 7001.

    Then i sent a return email saying i didn't receive any reply till today Oct 2nd and he further emailed me back saying that USCIS must give me a response by Oct 30th on my Pending I-140. Keeping fingers crossed - will post here if i see any LUD or activity in my I-140 in the next 3 weeks time.




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  • go_guy123
    02-24 06:38 PM
    I have MBA from an American university, do you think it's going to help me?

    MBA is always better than a MS from US..guaranteed. MS doesn't fetch much. I know it first hand. I have MS from US and worked in India. I then got an MBA from Canada.



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  • smuggymba
    08-12 12:42 PM
    In one another post - VLDRao was saying these companies does the tax filing on behalf the emoloyee, get the refund and again claim that tax in india using double taxation aoivdance treaty.

    TCS used to do that 10 years ago, Infy never did it to the best of my knowledge.




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  • swo
    07-20 06:47 PM
    thats one way to look at it. The other way to see this is that:

    - given enough people making noise its possible to get DOS/USCIS to make changes and fix things. this has now been proven.

    -there is a lot more visibility for EB related issues now, so much better chance of recapture or exemption for spouses from VB calculations etc.

    - instead of focus being on filing 485 without visa numbers (which is what IV focussed on for a while) everyone will now focus right at the root of the problem. All 500K are now focussed on solving the main issue.

    My friend, there is validity in what you say. I think there is a general shortage of visas, period. That is the root of the issue. However, we did know that going in. So when we get stuck in that situation we have to remember to distinguish between calling for change and demanding it.

    Also, with all due respect to IV, I think the thing that most likely led to the USCIS turnaround was not our voices, but rather the fact that a law suit would have revealed SERIOUS rule breaking - particularly with regard to issuing of visas to non-security cleared people. I think the USCIS's fear of dealing with a) discovery during court proceedings and b) potentially huge finanicial damages, were the main motivating factors to the turnaround.

    There is no doubt though, that the voices of immigrants did make a difference.

    By the way, this morning I wrote to both Senators Cornyn (for) and Clinton (against) in response to their amendment votes yesterday. I thanked him from trying to bring relief and urged her to show more bravery in solving the crisis at a future opportunity. I urge you all to do the same.



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  • isedkeem
    03-07 03:37 PM
    I was in India recently for a 2 months vacation, and some work from our Indian office,. First few days were tough , lot of dust , traffic , pollution, But after 2 weeks i was loving it the old way .. and when i was flying back i realized I love Delhi .

    ...

    When i was in India, i went to best hotels for food (2000Rs buffets) virtually every week.,just went to NY once for a 200$ buffet, in 6 years.

    So everyone has to take a personal decision, based on personal factors..

    I went on a business trip to Delhi and Mumbai last year for about 10 days. I stayed at very expensive hotels (Leela in Mumbai, don't remember the Delhi one) but somehow I did not feel that it was worth the $300+ a night or so. The hotels were about the same standard as a Best Western or a Holiday Inn in the US which tend to go for $60-80 usually. There were no reasonable budget options for $100 like in the US. The value for money seems much less in India IMO. I have been to China and Brazil too and the general standards there seem to be orders of magnitude higher.




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  • realizeit
    07-11 10:51 AM
    These two could be the real reasons why they changed the dates to 2006-June-01.

    1. USCIS want to utilize all available EB2 and EB1-Balance GC numbers before 2008-0ct-01. So, they moved the EB2 dates in such a way that there is enough room for obtaining approvable and valid EB2 applications.

    2. They could just move the dates to somewhere at the end of 2005 instead of 2006-June to achieve the same result. But, they did this specifically to include some relief to EB2 CHINA folks as well. EB2 China backlog starts from the beginning of 2006.

    3. This reason is from my imagination: USCIS is a govt organization..You know. I heard stories that corruption is there everywhere in a GOVT system. Some influential applicant needs to get the benefit and they moved the dates to June-2006. :)) HEY THIS IS NOT TRUE :)

    Oh by the way, this won't last long. The month September could see an "UNAVAILABLE" EB2 or "2004-APRIL" EB2.


    My heart jumps with joy, but my brain still caution the heart to wait for the official visa bulletin at DOS/USCIS website. USCIS has a trend of "correcting" the visa bulletin. Nevertheless, if the dates are really what they are published at Mumbai site, its a time for us to be happy.

    EB2 looks promising, but in this moment of joy lets not forget our friends in EB3 category. Anyone whose priority date is current, please don't just move forward with your joy, and continue to support IV and our initiatives to help legal immigrants. We have suffered so much because the folks who came prior to us never bothered to support legal immigration, once they got their their GC. Please remember that after GC/Citizenship, your status in this nation depends on how active you are socially/politically.



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  • abstractvision
    04-07 04:21 PM
    I have faxed my letters...sent 7 by USPS as well to get a hard copy reply. I do not want to discourage this effort, but In my opinion NOTHING will happen with Fax/Email as these are the people who show that they recognize the problem and working the best way they could. No room for improvement.

    I do not think lawsuit will work either. Courts are goin to believe all the plans and implementation details and success stories from DOL.

    I met 2 members of Congress ( one Ex)and they heard me patiently, appreciated me explaining the problem to them, showed their empathy but no results. One of them I guess was instrumental for the fillibuster the Spector's bill...Great...I do not blame anybody..I realized later that If someone is elected based on conservative ideology and Xenophobic attitude, how is s/he going to help me.

    I was impressed by the rallies the illegals aliens have organized. That definitely had major impact as a community asking for their rights. It was covered in all Major /Minor channels and almost all major radio station. It had a major impact in congress hearings. A force to recon with.....

    We are all high skilled people who I think,
    -do not have time to go out for rally,
    -have enough time for suggestions to others in this and other forum(internet is great),
    -do not want to participate or donate for a lawsuit,
    -always think about divisions among ourselves (01 & 02 Vs 03/04 devide),
    -wish to take meanigless positions (stopping PERM..Cursing IV..),
    -believe why to move their butt as they have consistent job and not to worry about the time( If it comes early..its a bonus),
    -take and reply to opinions personally
    -think others will get benefitted too
    -wait and watch (Home country is an option too)
    -worry about a day leave for rally or meeting
    -wait for Visa Bullettin
    -discuss Illegals while we are in worst shape than them


    I guess if we do not put our acts together, We deserve the situation we are in today.

    I suggest, we make city wise list of the suffering people, meet once in 1 or 2 weeks, choose a lead and have leads finalize the date for the rally/ further action.....and show up.
    If NOT, then simply show up at Capitol in white dress after Spring recess of Congress.

    Unless somebody comes up with any other viable option, I guess Its a wake up call to be answered. Rally from Jefferson to Capitol via 1600 P. Avenue....We donot need 500,000. Even 30 to 50 people with a week notice to all major TV channels will work.

    Since, Illegals had such a great rally, Media will definitely pay attention to LEGAL's rally.

    Local folks...Congress works until late..Early morning or after work hour is fine. Not sure abt Saturday. If no one is interested..fine..I have got two hands to display at least one banner.


    *********************
    PD: Aug 2002
    State: MD/RIR/EB3
    Regional:No
    Replied 45 days letter: July '05




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  • perm2gc
    12-03 10:13 AM
    I got an email saying that "On December 2, 2010, we ordered production of your new card" today. Me and my wife both got emails. Our wait (green in our life) for so many years came to a very happy end. My hearty wishes to all the friends who have been waiting in the queue to have best of luck.

    Regards.
    Congrats!!!



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  • nirenjoshi
    03-09 06:03 PM
    Added info about April VB to past VBs table.
    http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Past_Visa_Bulletin_Data

    The way dates are moved doesn't seem to have any fact based intelligent logic.

    Thanks.. I was about to create a table myself based on the archived bulletins..
    However, there isnt much to infer - as you say there doesnt seem to be any logic in the movement of dates. The lack of transparency is quite frustrating.:mad:




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  • makemygc
    10-25 11:59 PM
    I've sent the mails and strongly encourage everyone to come out and take an early action before this gets worse. Even if you are not affected right now, support the cause to make sure that you will not be affected in the future.

    Also, just wanted to point out some notes that letter says that Yates memo is attached, so if you are blindly copy and pasting make sure that you attach the Memo to your email or a copy to your letter.

    I would suggest OP to add the copy of yates memo and the follow up memo to the posting.

    Thanks
    MakeMyGC

    Issue/Background:
    It seems USCIS is not following AC21 regulations in some cases � especially when underlying I140 is revoked by previous employer � and are incorrectly denying I485 applications. As we know, AC21 regulations and related guidelines, provide some relief and allow job changes without affecting the I485 application. As per these rules if the employee changes employment after 180 days of submitting I485 application, there is no need to redo I140 even-if old employer revokes the old I140.

    In recent days USCIS seems to be denying lot of I485 applications � ignoring their own AC21 regulations. A few of IV volunteers (pd_recapturing, gc4me, chanduv et al) have started an effort to address this. You can get more info on this, at this thread: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21716.

    This issue can affect a lot of us and it negates all the flexibility/relief that we acquired by getting EAD�s and advantages we got thru recent admin reform.

    What needs to be done:
    After some initial discussions and planning (thanks to pd-capturing, chandu, et al) it is decided to write letters to Ombudsman and service center heads to point out this and request them to correct it ASAP. Please participate and send letters. To succeed we need to send it in thousands.

    Pasting the letter and the addresses below.

    More info: (thanks to gc4me for addresses and letter template):
    ======================
    Everyone please send the letter/email to 3 persons.
    1. Ombudsman
    2. Director, NSC
    3. Director, TSC
    ======================
    Ombudsman:
    cisombudsman@dhs.gov
    Mailing Address:
    Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman
    ATTN: Recommendations
    United States Department of Homeland Security
    Mail Stop 1225
    Washington, D.C. 20528-1225
    =======================
    Nebraska Service Center
    Director: Gerard Heinauer
    General Correspondence (Inquiries) (Sending applications or petitions to this address will delay their processing)

    USCIS NSC
    P.O. Box 82521
    Lincoln, NE 68501-2521
    NOTE: If using overnight delivery by any private service provider, send your package to:
    USCIS
    Nebraska Service Center
    850 S Street
    P.O. Box (Insert Correct P.O. Box Number)
    Lincoln, NE 68508

    Be sure to include the appropriate P.O. Box number on the shipping label.
    Customer Feedback:
    Contact:
    Assistant Chief
    Internal Security and Investigative Operations
    USCIS, 111 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
    Suite 7000
    Washington, DC 20529
    or email: USCIS-COMPLAINT@DHS.GOV
    =====================
    Director: David Roark
    General
    Correspondence:
    USCIS TSC
    PO Box 851488
    Mesquite, TX 75185-1488
    Customer Feedback:
    Contact:
    Assistant Chief
    Internal Security and Investigative Operations
    USCIS, 111 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
    Ste 7000, Washington, DC 20529
    ============================
    Letter
    ============================
    Date: Today()

    To
    Mr. Michael Timothy Dougherty
    The Ombudsman
    Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman
    United States Department of Homeland Security
    Mail Stop 1225
    Washington, D.C. 20528-1225

    Re: Issues caused by USCIS not following AC21 guidelines

    Dear Sir,
    This is to bring your attention to the issues caused by USCIS not following AC21 guidelines.

    The American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act of 2000 (AC21) allows for a change of employer on any I-485 Adjustment of Status Application that has been pending for 180 days or more, without the need to file a new I-140 petition, provided the applicant�s new employment is in a similar/same occupation.

    According to the Memo released by William R Yates on August 4th 2003, the original I-140 is valid if it is approvable and form I-485 has been pending for more than 180 days. (Attached for your reference is the memo dated August 4th 2003 from William R Yates and the follow-up memo dated May 12th 2005 with relevant sections highlighted).

    Due to unreasonable delays caused by retrogression, many candidates have lawfully changed employers in accordance with the AC21 statute. Even though there is no requirement that USCIS be notified after a job change, some applicants have done so to prove that they are in compliance with this regulation. If the previous employer has withdrawn the previously approved I-140, AC21 guidelines state that if the applicant has not submitted evidence of a new qualifying offer of employment, the applicant be sent an NOID (Notice of Intent to Deny) to deny the I-485 application or a RFE (Request for Evidence) . If the response to the NOID/RFE is timely and indicates that the alien has a new offer of employment in the same or similar occupation, USCIS may consider the approved Form I-140 to remain valid with respect to the new offer of employment and may continue regular processing of the Form I-485.

    Over the past few months, a disturbing pattern has emerged with cases where the applicant has changed employers. USCIS has started to deny I-485applications where the underlying I-140 has been withdrawn by the previous employer without issuing an NOID or RFE. Even those applicants who have notified USCIS of change in employers have had their I-485 denied.


    After the denial of I-485, the applicant has to file a MTR (Motion to reconsider) with USCIS to re-open the case. In addition to the financial burden of filing and legal fees, the applicant has to stop working because of the denial of the I-485 until the case is re-opened. This could be anywhere from a month to a few months. Needless to say, employers are unwilling to keep the job position open for such a long period and the applicant in most cases is looking at potential loss of employment. The applicant who has followed the law to the fullest extent is unfairly punished on account of USCIS not following the AC21 provisions.

    This is a request for you to intervene to ensure that the AC21 regulations are followed when adjudicating an I-485 application. If the applicant notifies USCIS of a change in employment under AC21, this should be added the applicant�s physical file and electronic records. If there is no such notification and the previous employer withdraws the I-140, the applicant should be issued a NOID/RFE instead of denying the I-485 application.


    Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact.

    Thank you in advance for your kind attention and cooperation in this matter.

    Thanks,

    Your Name
    Your Address
    Your Phone Number



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  • icedgin
    07-27 09:38 AM
    Hi Angel,
    I think I am in a similar situation with you.Me and my kids are also separated from my wife for almost a year now. It was really a big mistake on my part not to join her on her Embassy interview thinking visas were plentiful.BIG MISTAKE. I was at that time not well informed about visa availability.Our PD is Nov 05 and I am from the Philippines. I do feel what you feel. It is an emotional roller coaster ride. Are you derivative beneficiaries of your wife's Sched A petition and what country are you from? If you dont mind me asking.




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  • watertown
    03-04 10:31 AM
    Guys,

    My AP received date if Oct 31, 2007 and I called NSC 10 days back and requested expedited processing due to my dad's illness (Lung cancer). The lady IO was nice and she initiated the process and while on the phone she was typing the required info on their system. Finally she gave me a WTC number and told me to go to local DO if I didn't get the AP within 10 days!

    I was so happy!! Following the phone I saw soft LUD on my AP case for 3 days and then stopped. Nothing happened!! I've made an Infopass appointment for local Boston office USCIS and will see what happens!!!!

    Anybody got a WTC number?




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  • yabadaba
    01-02 11:48 AM
    looks like some other orgs are referencing my oped for general information purposes

    http://www.americas.org/item_30295

    "This article was originally published by the sources above and is copyrighted by the sources above. We offer it here as an educational tool to increase understanding of global economics and social justice issues. We believe this is 'fair use' of copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. AMERICAS.ORG is a nonprofit Web site with the goal of educating and informing."




    singhsa3
    07-20 03:48 PM
    Not sure what your concerns are my freind. My intentions were pure and as follows:
    a) We have won a battle but war is far from over.
    b) Whole point of being able to file 485 is to obtain interim benefits, if there are substantial delays then whats the point.
    c) There are other priorities in the life and it will be unfortumate if those are hostages to EAD/GC/AP.
    e) The reality of the situation might inspire people to make change happen.

    Having said that, I would like to express my disappointment on your tone of the message. Unlike yours, my message was not personal in nature. Your comments made me feel bad. I urge you to please exercise restraint. We are a team here!

    Preparing for future is one thing but if you think that this is a valuable thread then go with it and enjoy, i just find it disheartening that people are trying to undermine whatever has been achieved by such threads (Like i said, he might be completely right but is there a need to tell it this way) and what are you going to prepare for the future ;) Do you know it ? (If you do, please keep it to yourself and enjoy or cry about it). Right now, i want to be positive and enjoy the fruits of what IV has done to get some relief, why use negative logic to undermine it and that is what i am saying. Leave us alone, who like IV and who want to have a moment's respite. Chill out dude, no offence meant and this my only response, will not reply if you attack me, so cool off.


    So what are trying to prove ? Generally i dont respond but this just shows that you have a lot of time. Why dampen people's spirits by such post or why try to say that whatever IV has done is a waste. That is what i get from what you have posted. If you are cynical, keep it to your own self, dont start such negative threads. Dont know you and this is not a personal attack but think twice before you create such posts, because they are disheartening for many (including me) who are so frustrated that they can believe any thing negative. Chill out and let us enjoy the moment why we have it, if things change over the period, we are fighters, we will survive but dont add to our problems by your predictions and logic (which might be right to start with but do we tell cancer patients that they are going to die on such and such date).

    No offence intended but cool off.




    krispal
    09-10 04:26 PM
    Contributed $200 for the rally...I will not be able to attend the rally due to prior commitments..

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