eager_immi
11-21 10:01 AM
Mr. Carbon,
Can you please e-mail this to Lou Dobbs of CNN.
-Kaka
Lou Dobbs are you kidding me!!! By now all should know he is not a journalist he is a propagandist. He does not read to expand his horizon he uses a cookie cutter approach to fit everything in his grand scheme of propaganda "the plight of the middle class." So please don't waste time and channel your energy elsewhere.
Can you please e-mail this to Lou Dobbs of CNN.
-Kaka
Lou Dobbs are you kidding me!!! By now all should know he is not a journalist he is a propagandist. He does not read to expand his horizon he uses a cookie cutter approach to fit everything in his grand scheme of propaganda "the plight of the middle class." So please don't waste time and channel your energy elsewhere.
mmillo
06-08 12:30 AM
Will Fannie/Freddie give loan with 20% down while in AOS? i mean in regualr interest rate?
Thanks
Thanks
obviously
09-15 10:55 PM
I think the at the heart of this kind of reckless, selfish 'crusade' is a problem with poor upbringing. Some kids are brought up to look at the world through myopic self-interests, and are molly coddled by their parents into believing that their narrow views are indeed honorable and respectable.
The sad reality is that such 'crusades' do nothing more than unite those against the larger cause of brown/black/non-white immigration and divide those that are already in pain.
No wonder then that history repeats itself ever so often when those from the 'great Eastern lands' can so easily be ruled by those with shorter histories and accomplishments.
Take a look at illegal immigrants. They break the law. Yet, they are able to unite so effectively to make themselves heard. For a group that has absolutely no locus standi for legal or political relief, they are amazingly effective in shaping the dialog around their interests.
As a strategy and communications professional (with a strong background in Harvard Law School mediation/negotiation and US public policy) I can vouch for the effectiveness of a united voice that speaks to larger interests oriented towards US economic gains. These kinds of narrow sub-optimal "causes" only make the USCIS and the larger establishment care less about legal employment based immigration.
Absent in this dialog from this 'erudite PhD' is analyses of root causes of underlying problems. For one, there is the absolutely crystal clear problem with country based quotas for employment based immigration in a country where the primary act, i.e., employment itself cannot be discriminated based on national origin. And so on and so forth.
Instead of taking cause with such short sighted and self-centered acts, why not apply your collective 'high skills' towards highlighting the POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS of legal immigrants and pushing for a better overall process?
Instead of collecting money to slit the wrists of those around you, why not join hands and petition the lawmakers for better, more transparent processing estimates?
Instead of trying to make a futile argument that EB1 > EB2 > EB3, why not attempt to have a real public policy dialog that reframes larger interests?
Further more, dont forget that when the USCIS needs to respond to such frivolous lawsuits, it costs US taxpayer dollars... which further alienates the USCIS and Citizens from the cause of legal immigration.
No wonder then we find an increase in backlash against non-white immigrants that seek a higher sense of entitlement... seriously... I can bet just as I did with that SunnySurya joker a while ago, put your EB2 petition up online and let us see if there really is no US Citizen available to do the job.
What makes it fair for a foreigner like you to come to this country and claim that there there is NO ONE to do the job based on which you seek to immigrate?
If you are really serious about US national interest and the larger question of fairness, it is only fair that you post the EB2 job and we confirm that there is no US person ready and able to take that job. And dont try those advertising tricks, I will hire a lawyer to smoke out your games.
BTW, I will be looking out for this lawsuit. I will get the details from you directly without you even knowing about it. Heck, I will even contribute to your "cause" so that you give me the details. Then, I will file a separate petition to have your specific EB case investigated for the merits your lawyer posed. Ready for that game?
Bottomline, I blame poor parenting for creating such characters in society that cause a drain on the moral fabric of humanity.
The sad reality is that such 'crusades' do nothing more than unite those against the larger cause of brown/black/non-white immigration and divide those that are already in pain.
No wonder then that history repeats itself ever so often when those from the 'great Eastern lands' can so easily be ruled by those with shorter histories and accomplishments.
Take a look at illegal immigrants. They break the law. Yet, they are able to unite so effectively to make themselves heard. For a group that has absolutely no locus standi for legal or political relief, they are amazingly effective in shaping the dialog around their interests.
As a strategy and communications professional (with a strong background in Harvard Law School mediation/negotiation and US public policy) I can vouch for the effectiveness of a united voice that speaks to larger interests oriented towards US economic gains. These kinds of narrow sub-optimal "causes" only make the USCIS and the larger establishment care less about legal employment based immigration.
Absent in this dialog from this 'erudite PhD' is analyses of root causes of underlying problems. For one, there is the absolutely crystal clear problem with country based quotas for employment based immigration in a country where the primary act, i.e., employment itself cannot be discriminated based on national origin. And so on and so forth.
Instead of taking cause with such short sighted and self-centered acts, why not apply your collective 'high skills' towards highlighting the POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS of legal immigrants and pushing for a better overall process?
Instead of collecting money to slit the wrists of those around you, why not join hands and petition the lawmakers for better, more transparent processing estimates?
Instead of trying to make a futile argument that EB1 > EB2 > EB3, why not attempt to have a real public policy dialog that reframes larger interests?
Further more, dont forget that when the USCIS needs to respond to such frivolous lawsuits, it costs US taxpayer dollars... which further alienates the USCIS and Citizens from the cause of legal immigration.
No wonder then we find an increase in backlash against non-white immigrants that seek a higher sense of entitlement... seriously... I can bet just as I did with that SunnySurya joker a while ago, put your EB2 petition up online and let us see if there really is no US Citizen available to do the job.
What makes it fair for a foreigner like you to come to this country and claim that there there is NO ONE to do the job based on which you seek to immigrate?
If you are really serious about US national interest and the larger question of fairness, it is only fair that you post the EB2 job and we confirm that there is no US person ready and able to take that job. And dont try those advertising tricks, I will hire a lawyer to smoke out your games.
BTW, I will be looking out for this lawsuit. I will get the details from you directly without you even knowing about it. Heck, I will even contribute to your "cause" so that you give me the details. Then, I will file a separate petition to have your specific EB case investigated for the merits your lawyer posed. Ready for that game?
Bottomline, I blame poor parenting for creating such characters in society that cause a drain on the moral fabric of humanity.
gc_chahiye
07-24 12:15 PM
From what I understand many 485 applications(not all)received in accordance to the June bulletin MAY have been preassigned a visa number(from the leftover 60,000 visas) NOT an approval.
source of this information?
Although they are not supposed to pre assign numbers without name checks etc, is'nt it obvious that they might have done that??. They have a lot of cases to approve until Sept 30(from that 60,000 number)
no its not obvious. They have a big backlog of 485s still, and that 60,000 visa numbers can be used up without them having to assign some of those numbers to June 07 filers. See the ombudsmans report for details. If anything, they'll keep some of those visa numbers for people who have been in namecheck long enough, and are expected to get out soon.
there are too many people in teh system already!
source of this information?
Although they are not supposed to pre assign numbers without name checks etc, is'nt it obvious that they might have done that??. They have a lot of cases to approve until Sept 30(from that 60,000 number)
no its not obvious. They have a big backlog of 485s still, and that 60,000 visa numbers can be used up without them having to assign some of those numbers to June 07 filers. See the ombudsmans report for details. If anything, they'll keep some of those visa numbers for people who have been in namecheck long enough, and are expected to get out soon.
there are too many people in teh system already!
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bobzibub
07-18 05:20 PM
For the ROW category, the manual seems to indicate that they have a general date (such as in the Visa Bulletin) but I would expect that they have many visa counts for each country..... Anyone have a quick synopsis of how they handle that?
I'm Canada btw....
I'm Canada btw....
hopefullegalimmigrant
01-07 04:19 PM
I am going to use AP as my backup> I will be going in for H stamping in India
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gotgc?
07-19 09:22 AM
I heard about IV a lot in the last couple of weeks. And I saw the article and I am very impressed. I want to be the proud member of IV. Just contributed $100 one time through paypal. (Receipt Number: 3856-4213-5890-9338). Hope to contribute more in the future.
Go IV!!!
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070718_012859.htm?campaign_id=yhoo
Go IV!!!
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070718_012859.htm?campaign_id=yhoo
sroyc
07-11 01:37 PM
In order to avoid visa wastage, there is no �per country limit� during the last quarter, that could be the main reason for this quantum leap in EB2-I PD movement.
The per country limit was not adhered to even in the 3rd quarter. Remember how EB2 India rose like a phoenix from Unavailable to April 2004? Once they determine that there are enough visas for spillover, the per country limits don't exist. The question is how they decide to distribute it among the retrogressed countries.
The per country limit was not adhered to even in the 3rd quarter. Remember how EB2 India rose like a phoenix from Unavailable to April 2004? Once they determine that there are enough visas for spillover, the per country limits don't exist. The question is how they decide to distribute it among the retrogressed countries.
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pappu
06-10 01:18 PM
The best way is this .
1) Apply labor and I140 .
2) Once I-140 is approved have an understanding with the companyeturn to ( attorney ) that they will not stip your GC processing .
3) Return to Booming India and have fun and make money . Raise kids . Change jobs .
4) Hope that the PD will be current by the time you are 60 and ready to retire .Get your GC stamped in India by 2040 . :D
5) Retire in the USA in instead of India . :D
Advantages
**********
1) Advantage to change jobs and make more money , and not being stuck with a single employer for decades , and be exploited .( exploited does not apply to everyone !!! )
2) Give kids the Indian upbringing .
3) Enjoy with your family , friends and relatives
4) Come and back and retire in USA after retirement .
Why?
Is retirement better in USA?
Just curious to know the reasons.
1) Apply labor and I140 .
2) Once I-140 is approved have an understanding with the companyeturn to ( attorney ) that they will not stip your GC processing .
3) Return to Booming India and have fun and make money . Raise kids . Change jobs .
4) Hope that the PD will be current by the time you are 60 and ready to retire .Get your GC stamped in India by 2040 . :D
5) Retire in the USA in instead of India . :D
Advantages
**********
1) Advantage to change jobs and make more money , and not being stuck with a single employer for decades , and be exploited .( exploited does not apply to everyone !!! )
2) Give kids the Indian upbringing .
3) Enjoy with your family , friends and relatives
4) Come and back and retire in USA after retirement .
Why?
Is retirement better in USA?
Just curious to know the reasons.
ajay
10-21 02:40 PM
I would like to know if anybody got any response to their mails. It has been a great effort from good guys out here and I hope we get a positive respose from the respective people.
Please share your experiences if anybody has got any response.
Thanks
Please share your experiences if anybody has got any response.
Thanks
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NH123
12-10 09:39 PM
Friend agree with what you say, but the pain for Jul 07 Misser's is the maximum (Or atleast one of the worst) in the group. I just happened to miss the windfall because my labor was approved couple of months later. For individuals in our group being able to file for 485 is itself equivalent to getting GC as it enables us to get EAD & AP for self and family, if you ask us we don't mind paying the fee. We don�t know when we will reach the Toll Plaza for the 485 tunnel, or where it is right now or how far are we! Every year is part of hoping till the very end, only our optimism lives on.
I share your pain buddy.I also miss the July 2007 fiasco by 1 month due to my &^@#$% lawyer who took 1 year to apply for labor and kept me in dark .The most painful thing is to see my wife's frustration who inspite of job offers can't join becoz company does not want to sponsor.Just being optimistic is the only hope.
I share your pain buddy.I also miss the July 2007 fiasco by 1 month due to my &^@#$% lawyer who took 1 year to apply for labor and kept me in dark .The most painful thing is to see my wife's frustration who inspite of job offers can't join becoz company does not want to sponsor.Just being optimistic is the only hope.
forgerator
04-23 10:26 PM
It took 10 days for me . Filed in Feb 2011.
It seems Feb 2011 is a golden era for PERM approvals , almost similar effect of July 2007. I have noticed people who filed in February got their PERM approvals in under 2 weeks.
It seems Feb 2011 is a golden era for PERM approvals , almost similar effect of July 2007. I have noticed people who filed in February got their PERM approvals in under 2 weeks.
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slammer
07-11 07:57 AM
wooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo
I assume you like the new cutoff-dates ????
Rita ;)
I assume you like the new cutoff-dates ????
Rita ;)
waitforevergc
02-18 02:58 PM
All,
I am thinking of writing to the DHS Secretary about this never ending wait for AOS and about retrogression.
Could you all contribute with different points please?
Someone has to take initiative someday.
Thanks,
I am thinking of writing to the DHS Secretary about this never ending wait for AOS and about retrogression.
Could you all contribute with different points please?
Someone has to take initiative someday.
Thanks,
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andy garcia
10-01 11:28 AM
Great find, Andy. Based on your explanation, I can say that our real problem is not the lack of visa numbers. There are enough visa numbers, but USCIS is not utilizing them.
This also tells me that an increase in visa numbers to 290,000 (or what ever number that the SKILL bill is asking for) would NOT change the situation a little bit. The end result only will be that the USCIS will end up with more number of unused visas.
Can the IV community do some thing to improve the whole situation?
Thanks h1techSlave;
I always said that the problem is not the visa numbers but some people replied that I am an anti-Indian/Chinese/etc.
just because I said so.
Remember that this system was designed back when there was one single queue.
You applied for your Labor and waited(establish a PD), everybody who applied after you was behind you.
After the Labor was approved, you applied for the I-140. This will determine your category/country of chargeability and will filter some of the fraud cases
After the I-140 was granted. You apply for either CP or AOS. At this point CIS/DOS knew how many applications were pending for each category/country and could move the dates smoothly.
Now the mess is so big that it takes them until February(6 months after the End of the previous Fiscal Year) to publish the number of visas issued
This also tells me that an increase in visa numbers to 290,000 (or what ever number that the SKILL bill is asking for) would NOT change the situation a little bit. The end result only will be that the USCIS will end up with more number of unused visas.
Can the IV community do some thing to improve the whole situation?
Thanks h1techSlave;
I always said that the problem is not the visa numbers but some people replied that I am an anti-Indian/Chinese/etc.
just because I said so.
Remember that this system was designed back when there was one single queue.
You applied for your Labor and waited(establish a PD), everybody who applied after you was behind you.
After the Labor was approved, you applied for the I-140. This will determine your category/country of chargeability and will filter some of the fraud cases
After the I-140 was granted. You apply for either CP or AOS. At this point CIS/DOS knew how many applications were pending for each category/country and could move the dates smoothly.
Now the mess is so big that it takes them until February(6 months after the End of the previous Fiscal Year) to publish the number of visas issued
svr_76
09-14 06:20 PM
GCTest..you are right. I am with you.
Rather I would like to add more items to what u have listed-
1. Its wrong for EB2 filers to find/marry a us citizen. That will be unethical of them to do as they will be jumping lines. Because u would be unable to do if u would have married non-citizen..so based on GCTest's logic please dont marry us citizen or if u have marriued continue to only use you EB2 application for processing :-)
2. Also people who are now planning of using EB5 (assuming u have now saved/gather enough money). So EB2, EB3 or other people u have been saving money and are now thinking of risking ur money/career/life on EB5 filing..please dont do that...because that will be unethical.....u r doing it bcos u now have money. Per GCTest's logic u did not having money u filed ur EB2 or EB3 application so if u have money now...dont try to use it.
GCTest...can u think of other conditions ...do post them.
Oh yes corollary to #1. Also bachelors in EB2/EB3 category make sure u dont fall inlove and plan to marry any girl/boy from the countries which are current. Help GCTest's cause.
:-)
Rather I would like to add more items to what u have listed-
1. Its wrong for EB2 filers to find/marry a us citizen. That will be unethical of them to do as they will be jumping lines. Because u would be unable to do if u would have married non-citizen..so based on GCTest's logic please dont marry us citizen or if u have marriued continue to only use you EB2 application for processing :-)
2. Also people who are now planning of using EB5 (assuming u have now saved/gather enough money). So EB2, EB3 or other people u have been saving money and are now thinking of risking ur money/career/life on EB5 filing..please dont do that...because that will be unethical.....u r doing it bcos u now have money. Per GCTest's logic u did not having money u filed ur EB2 or EB3 application so if u have money now...dont try to use it.
GCTest...can u think of other conditions ...do post them.
Oh yes corollary to #1. Also bachelors in EB2/EB3 category make sure u dont fall inlove and plan to marry any girl/boy from the countries which are current. Help GCTest's cause.
:-)
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insbaby
08-13 03:58 PM
We can write letters, emails, fax, contribute to IV but nothing is gonna help. This is the fact!
Yes. It may help, but EB3 is not the one who is going to get any piece out of it, as EB2 is increasing in huge amount. Even if it is CURRENT for 10 years, thats not going to help anyone below that level as everyone will qualify for EB2 in future, almost all the future candidates will have minimum of 5 years experience.
1. Live with this. Don't come to any forum, don't think about VISA bulletin. Take your Gc when it comes to your doorstep. May be by then, we may not need it. We may be tired of being on the same job and GC may not bring any
motivation to our career.
Well, if one decided to continue the process of waiting, there won't be any career to talk about at the end.
2. Move over to EB2 - If possible, take all the pains of changing job, place of living, unpredictability in PERM queue and I140 queue and move over to EB2. But you never know. One of our Indian brothers might have just won a lawsuit to stop us from moving over!! In that sense, EB3 I is worst than illegals. Least wanted legals in the USA!!
Not possible for all to go to EB2 as most of the companies hesitate to spend huge amount again and same is applicable to the individual too. It may not be worth at the end to spend another 5K on this. Well said, we should then fight with our own friends (because they may not like us to get the Lion's share) before going to DOS and USCIS.
3. Get out of this country - Give up the American dream and come to reality and start a new dream. May be Canadian dream or Australian dream...
I am waking up from 'abroad' dream. The real dream in front is "Home", without any issue that works for me.
Yes. It may help, but EB3 is not the one who is going to get any piece out of it, as EB2 is increasing in huge amount. Even if it is CURRENT for 10 years, thats not going to help anyone below that level as everyone will qualify for EB2 in future, almost all the future candidates will have minimum of 5 years experience.
1. Live with this. Don't come to any forum, don't think about VISA bulletin. Take your Gc when it comes to your doorstep. May be by then, we may not need it. We may be tired of being on the same job and GC may not bring any
motivation to our career.
Well, if one decided to continue the process of waiting, there won't be any career to talk about at the end.
2. Move over to EB2 - If possible, take all the pains of changing job, place of living, unpredictability in PERM queue and I140 queue and move over to EB2. But you never know. One of our Indian brothers might have just won a lawsuit to stop us from moving over!! In that sense, EB3 I is worst than illegals. Least wanted legals in the USA!!
Not possible for all to go to EB2 as most of the companies hesitate to spend huge amount again and same is applicable to the individual too. It may not be worth at the end to spend another 5K on this. Well said, we should then fight with our own friends (because they may not like us to get the Lion's share) before going to DOS and USCIS.
3. Get out of this country - Give up the American dream and come to reality and start a new dream. May be Canadian dream or Australian dream...
I am waking up from 'abroad' dream. The real dream in front is "Home", without any issue that works for me.
JA1HIND
04-01 08:07 PM
Excuse me...What do u wanna ask the USCIS? U wanna put ur hand where it dozn't belong to? Good luck with that!!! I dont mind so many red dots. But I just wanna make my point. Just imagine one thing... U have a family. Someone from the outside doesn't like the way you are treating ur wife and asks u to divorce ur wife. How wud u feel? U r a NOBODY. Dont u get it? U just cant change a foreign land's system. Protest, conduct rallies...thats fine. But u have no rights to dig and delve into how USCIS is functioning. U R A NOBODY.
Dard-E-Disco I have read some of your comments on this thread.. and feel sorry for your state of mind....until you feel better and get back to your normal senses here is the URL you may want to try and this will keep you busy for sometime.. http://edtech.kennesaw.edu/web/alphabet.html
look at your comments that are just useless, second hand and hopeless imagination.....when you get a chance in your free time go and get your brain screws tightened, you may feel better ...good luck:D
Dard-E-Disco I have read some of your comments on this thread.. and feel sorry for your state of mind....until you feel better and get back to your normal senses here is the URL you may want to try and this will keep you busy for sometime.. http://edtech.kennesaw.edu/web/alphabet.html
look at your comments that are just useless, second hand and hopeless imagination.....when you get a chance in your free time go and get your brain screws tightened, you may feel better ...good luck:D
PD_Dec2002
03-18 07:17 AM
Having said that, since we are non-resident aliens (i.e the ones without green card or US citizenship) will not get a stimulus package?
An overwhelming chunk of all of us are considered resident aliens from IRS's perpective so you are eligible. In fact, I would think every single one of us on this forum is a resident alien since we all fit IRS's definition of a "resident alien" as per their "substantial preference test". The following is copy-paste from IRS:
Topic 851 - Resident and Non–Resident Aliens
You are considered a resident alien if you met one of two tests for the calendar year.
The first test is the "green card test." If at any time during the calendar year you were a lawful permanent resident of the United States according to the immigration laws, and this status has not been rescinded or administratively or judicially determined to have been abandoned, you are considered to have met the green card test.
The second test is the "substantial presence test". For the purposes of this test, the term United Stated includes the following areas:
All 50 states and the District of Columbia.
The territorial waters of the United States.
The seabed and subsoil of those submarine areas that are adjacent to U.S. territorial waters and over which the United States has exclusive rights under international law to explore and exploit natural resources. The term does not include U.S. possessions and territories or U.S. airspace.
To meet the substantial presence test, you must have been physically present in the United States on at least 31 days during the current year, and 183 days during the 3 year period that includes the current year and the 2 years immediately before. To satisfy the 183 days requirement, count all of the days you were present in the current year, and one–third of the days you were present in the first year before the current year, and one–sixth of the days you were present in the second year before the current year. Do not count any day you were present in the United States as an "exempt individual" or commute from Canada or Mexico to work in the United States on more than 75% of the workdays during your working period.
For more information, see the IRS guidance: http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc851.html
Regards,
Jayant
P.S.: Since taxes are inevitable, here's hoping we soon pass the first "green card test" as well. :)
An overwhelming chunk of all of us are considered resident aliens from IRS's perpective so you are eligible. In fact, I would think every single one of us on this forum is a resident alien since we all fit IRS's definition of a "resident alien" as per their "substantial preference test". The following is copy-paste from IRS:
Topic 851 - Resident and Non–Resident Aliens
You are considered a resident alien if you met one of two tests for the calendar year.
The first test is the "green card test." If at any time during the calendar year you were a lawful permanent resident of the United States according to the immigration laws, and this status has not been rescinded or administratively or judicially determined to have been abandoned, you are considered to have met the green card test.
The second test is the "substantial presence test". For the purposes of this test, the term United Stated includes the following areas:
All 50 states and the District of Columbia.
The territorial waters of the United States.
The seabed and subsoil of those submarine areas that are adjacent to U.S. territorial waters and over which the United States has exclusive rights under international law to explore and exploit natural resources. The term does not include U.S. possessions and territories or U.S. airspace.
To meet the substantial presence test, you must have been physically present in the United States on at least 31 days during the current year, and 183 days during the 3 year period that includes the current year and the 2 years immediately before. To satisfy the 183 days requirement, count all of the days you were present in the current year, and one–third of the days you were present in the first year before the current year, and one–sixth of the days you were present in the second year before the current year. Do not count any day you were present in the United States as an "exempt individual" or commute from Canada or Mexico to work in the United States on more than 75% of the workdays during your working period.
For more information, see the IRS guidance: http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc851.html
Regards,
Jayant
P.S.: Since taxes are inevitable, here's hoping we soon pass the first "green card test" as well. :)
Mayday
05-09 08:01 PM
I live in texas. I got my driver's license after my H-1B was valid for less than a month. So something is totally wrong with your DL department. Go and talk to a manager there.
jelo
05-14 01:26 PM
When your employer filed for revocation of I-140, on 02/03/2009 the officer might have performed an action of disapproval instead of revoke and also the date of action not updated (and you got the soft LUD not hard).
This will let the current officer to see as disapproved on 09/04/2007 ?. Just a thought.
This will let the current officer to see as disapproved on 09/04/2007 ?. Just a thought.
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